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The verses herein directly relate to Italy. Characters who are also connected to Italy are treated separately: see also France, Spain, Cock, Lion and the Eagle, Barbarian, Celts. Additional verses will be added from time to time, and commentary as fitting based on the feedback received to Nostradamus on Italy.
In this 3 part volume (view Italy">volume 1 or Italy">volume 3), we will look into verses that enlighten us on both aspects of Italy's future.
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Because of the swelling of the Ebro (heb) Po, Tagus, Tiber rivers, and Rome, and because of Lake Geneva and Arezzo,
The 2 great chiefs of the cities of the Garonne,
Captured, dead, drowned: human booty divided.
Ebro, Tagus, are in Spain. The Po, Tiber and Arezzo, in Italy. Geneva=swiss, and Garonne in France.
Roman territories as predicted by the augure,
By the French (Gauloise) will be greatly troubled;
But the Celtic nation will fear the hour,
The north wind pushing the fleet too far.
Nostra', warns France on more than one occasion against relying on its naval capacity when considering war, especially against others rather than defence. Unfortunately, the French have never been good or lucky when it comes to sea-warfare, and history will see little change in their fortunes, if father Neptune is against you better to remain on land.
Hercules, king of Rome and Annemarc, with the surname held by 3 Brothers of France,
Italy and Venice to tremble,
First Monarch renowned above all.
The Gaul (French one) by leaps will penetrate the mountains,
And will occupy the great Insubrian area,
And his army will enter much further;
Genoa and Monaco will repel the Red fleet.
Before the city of the Insubian (perhaps, Milan) region,
The siege will be laid for 7 years:
The thrice great king will make his entry,
City then free its enemies ousted.
All around the great city,
There will be soldiers camped in the fields and villages;
For making the attack, Paris (by) (and) Rome provoked,
Upon the Vatican, there will be made a great pillage. [this verse may be reversed, it maybe Rome attacking Paris,??]
The Celtic army vexed in Italy,
On all sides conflict and great loss:
The Romans fled, oh Gaul repulsed,
Near to Thesin, battle of the Rubicon river uncertain.
From lake Fucin to the shore of Benac,
Taken by Leman to the port of l'Orgion:
Born of-with, three arms the predicted warlike image,
Of three crowns to the great Endymoin.
Lake Benac, is known to us as Lake Garda, and is the largest lake in Italy, but lake Fucin no longer exists at this time, it was completely drained by 1875. However, if the drainage canal was blocked or destroyed, it might well return in the future.
Leman, is better known to us as Lake Geneva, and is shared between Switzerland and France where it re-joins the Rhone river. Many ports can be reached via the Rhone, but not one of them is obviously named 'Orgion'.
Now a small point. I have no idea why, but EL. JH. & MR. have 'orguion' not Orgion? Yet it appears they are not working from the same corrupted version, as EL, has NE, at the beginning of line 3, and JH. MR, have NAY? MR, also has, rivaige, instead of ravage, du, not de, belliq, not bellique, and troys, not trois? Anyway,
I see 'Nay' and Orgion, in the original.
Now while the Rhone river has many ports, the first to be occupied by the Greek colonists from Phocaea, and was founded by Phoecians, under Athenian leadership. While Athena was their patron goddess, amongst her siblings was Herakles, who having slaughtered the Gorgon Medusa, gave her head and skin, which Athena used to make the Aegis.
In astrological terms Hercules occupies two places in the Zodiac, one above the Scorpion, but is also associated with Orion. Thus, Nostra plays another word game with me,
O R G I O N.
O R I O N the G-reek.
[but just in case, there is a copy of the verses with 'Orguion' then I note that Urion, was an earlier version of Orion's name; thus we have,
O R G U I O N,
GO URION,
for Orion was always chasing the Pliedes, the Star that rise just ahead of him in the heavens.]
Endymion, was the beautiful youth whom Selene the moon goddess fell in love with. Endymion already had a wife, known by four names, Iphianassa, Hyperippe, Chromia, and Neis, (all titles of the moon.) and she bore him four sons. He also had fifty daughters, by Selene.
In reality, the four sons were the Suns of the four seasons, and the daughters all moons. The story is not that different to that of Romeo and Juliet, who were representative of the sun and moon respectively. Endymion might be better understood as signifying the sun at the end of the day, or morning.
I suspect whoever was or is captured and taken to port Orgion is the head of an Empire that consists of 3 countries, thus 3 crowns, but who is this beautiful Endymion so loved by the moon? It may be one of the 7 kings who will arise under Venus.
More insight is needed, somewhere amongst the verses there will be a clue.
In the year when the brothers of the Lily come of age,
One of them will hold power in Rome;
The mountains to tremble, Latin passage opened,
Alliance to march against the stronghold of Armenia.
Deceived by the fraudulent victory,
Two fleets [made] one, the Germans rebel;
The chief murdered by his son in his tent,
Florence and Imola, pursued within Rome [Italy].
Consider; Century 1, Verse 35, young Lion defeats elder one, on field of war, single battle, within cage of gold eyes plucked out, two fleets joined, then a cruel death. See eBook 2. or Century 5, Verse 2.
7 conspirators at the banquet will cause to flash,
Iron from ship against 3;
The one will have 2 fleets brought to the great one,
When through malice, the latter will shoot him in the forehead.
Naples, Florence, Faenza and Imola,
They will come to such a loathsome agreement;
To the delight of the wretched of Nolle,
Complaining for having made a mockery of its (their) chief.
'Nolle', may be as the Latin, for the unwilling. Our Authors render it Nola, which is a municipality of Naples. It might well be said they are wretched, the area is known as the triangle of death, due to the illegal dumping of toxic waste in that area. It already has above average rates of Cancer, which is only one of the effects of such activities; who knowns what the future will reveal?
I am inclined to think the Latin Nolle, is intended not Nola.
The motions of the senses of heart, feet and hands in agreement. Naples, Le(-y)on, Sicily:
Swords, fires, waters: then the Roman nobles,
Drowned, overthrown, killed through feeble brains.
JH. NR. EL. Have the 2nd word of line 4 as tuez, tues, tues, respectively. Tue=to kill, slay, murder, massacre. Orig' has 'ruez' beaten, cast down, ruined, overthrown; cast, hurled, flung. Considering the 3rd word is 'morts' =dead, deceased; also, killed, murdered, slain; the orig' ruez, must be correct. Yet JH. & NR. Have replaced morts, with 'mors'=a bite, or biting?? CW , has Leon apparently the same in the various copies seen by him; I see Lyon, in another. EL. Is not convinced either way. There is a Leon in both France and Spain. It depends whether this alliance will be forged between Naples (capital of Italian Campania) Leon province, leon city in Spain and Sicily: or Naples, Leon in France, a commune of less than 2000 people, and Sicily. The former seems far more likely.
From high on Aventine hill a voice heard,
Flee, flee all on both sides,
By the blood of the reds the hate will be felled,
From Rimini to Prato the column will be expelled.
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Mount Aventine (Rome) will be seen to burn at night:
The sky very suddenly dark in Flanders:
When the monarch will chase his nephew,
The church people will commit scandals.
Throughout the world (in time) there will be one monarch,
That in peace and life will not last long:
Then will the fishing bark be in decay,
It will be ruled to its greater loss.
The fishing barque-barge, is the church of Peter, the fisher of men. The monarch will not rule the world, but his church has arms everywhere, but as Henry cut off one, so will many others remove the rest. If it does not relate to this half of the great tapestry unfolded, then it would have to relate to the period after the 1000year peace?
Fishing, from 'piscature' in original French, from Pisces, the age of the fish, the age of St Peter and his Church. So, related to the Barque, which originally was the Egyptian barge of the Pharaohs: which did not sail, but was pulled by men, as the many depictions in the desert on stones and rocks testify to.
Through the death of a very old Pontiff (pope),
A Roman of good age, will be elected,
Of him it will be said that he debases the see,
He will hold long et de piquant ouvrage.
piquant. = pricking, piercing, thrusting into, stinging, etc. ouvrage. = a work, esp. those wrought with a needle, sowed. I think we might say, weaving his web?
The great fisher will come to complain a weep,
For having elected one deceived of his age:
Scarcely with them will he want to remain,
He will be deceived by those of his own tongue.
Then when the soldiers in seditious fury,
Against their chief will cause their swords to flash at night.
The enemy from or of Albe-a in a powerful fury,
Then to torment Rome and deceive the highest ones.
The great Duke of Albe-a will come to revolt,
To his great ancestors, he will treacherous,
Will come to be discovered by the great one in disguise (or of Guise),
Taken captive and monument levelled.
Century 7, Verse 29 is certainly a tricky verse. Oddly at the end of line 3, I find 'decelier', but EL. & JH. Have 'debeller'. EL. Makes a point of taking 'debeller' from the Latin, debellare? When there was no need, as debeller in French signifies to subdue, vanquish, overcome by war. Whereas, the Latin, debell-o-are-avi-atus, sig' to fight it out with, wear down, subdue, or, to fight it out to the end; to bring a war to an end. Pointless intellect?
Also, rebeller and debeller, do not rhyme as well as Rebeller, and Decelier?
Decelier, from deceler, detect, disclose, discover etc.
Line 4 ends 'dresse monument', which both EL. & JH, render 'monument erected'; but Dresse, first sense is, straightened, levelled, evened, set right:2nd sense, raised, erected, advanced.
One is not sure whether enough has happened here, that a monument should be raised in commemoration of the event, or whether this Albe, has desecrated an existing one. If Albe had erected one to himself it might need to be demolished, if he had desecrated one, it might be necessary, to put it right? The idea that this Albe has dishonoured his great forefathers may make the latter more sensible.
There again if the word Guise, used in line 3,
'The great one of Guise will come to discover', is a family name, then the house of Guise was contemporary with Nostra's times? And hardly great prophecy. Whereas, Guise, in French sig. manner, fashion, custom, guise, disguise. Even in modern English 'guise' = false appearance?
Florence, flee, flee, the approaching Roman,
At Fiesole the battle will commence,
Bloodshed, the greatest ones taken by hand,
Neither temple or sect be pardoned.
Florence capitol of Italian Tuscany, was founded by Julius Caesar in 59 BC, originally called Fluentia because it was built between two rivers. It was later renamed Florentia, 'flower'. It was considered the birthplace of the Renaissance and referred to as the Athens of the middle ages. It was home to the Medici's and also Niccolo Marchiavelli, famous for his book on how to be a successful tyrant-dictator, called 'Prince'. Fiesole (Latin Fesulae, which Nostra has as Fuselan.) is approx. 5 miles away on higher ground. In pagan antiquity, it was the seat of a famous school of Augurs; and every year 12 young men were sent from Rome to study the art of Divination.)
There is no Temple in Feisole or Florence, unless the Cathedral, Santa Maria Del Foire, better Known as the DUOMO, for its Dome, is meant. Feisole also has a cathedral. Perhaps, a temple is yet to be built, either way it appears the Temple and the nuns that look after it will be destroyed. Fiesole has a well preserved Roman theatre, which is still used, along with other ancient antiquities.
Pau, Verona, Vicenza, Zaragoza,
From swords damp with blood from distant lands;
A plague so great it will come with great scabs,
Relief near, but remedies far away.
Verona and Vicenza are in Northern Italy, Zaragoza, (Saragossa) in Spain. Pau? If there is one name that Nostra's frequent use of, bugs me 'Pau' is it. There is a Pau, in Aquitaine, Spain and Sardinia, a river Pau, in Germany and France. The Authors often render it Po, as the river in Italy: but at other times it seems to be a name of a person. In this verse, it may make little difference which way we take it as we are already stretched between Spain and Northern Italy.
In the mentioned places foreigners are shedding blood by sword and spreading a plague. The plague in question causes great scabs to appear on its victims; these scabs must be left well alone. The scabs may well look like those formed by dried or clotted blood, as formed on wounds and cuts, but both the scabs and what puss lies under them are extremely infectious, both by touch and air, and most deadly when the victim has died. Covering the bodies will not stop its spread, for there will be no human remedy available, except time and nature.
Weep Milan, weep Lucca and Florence,
That your great Duke upon the chariot mounts,
To change the siege, he advances near to Venice,
Then will the column of Rome to be transformed.
Milan is over 100 miles from Lucca and Florence and all three are far from Venice. The siege, may be the seat of Government, or perhaps the See, or seat of the Pope? The Column of Rome, represents the Laws, whether they be of government or religion; the latter seems more likely.
A char, can be a waggon, a carriage or a chariot, in modern terms it might be a car or even a tank.
One way Nostra avoids placing time eras on events is by always referring to weapons as if they were swords, spears, darts etc. as if all wars were to be fought using the weapons of his time. Another is by totally ignoring any medical advances or even the advances of science. The nearest he really gets to it is by mentioning wars fought in the skies. And there is no denying these methods certainly work.
In Lucca (luques) it will come to rain milk and blood,
Shortly before a change of praetor, (chief magistrate- judge)
Great plague and war, famine and drought will be made visible,
From far away where their prince and rector will die.
Au cainct de vast the great cavalry,
Close to Ferrara impeded by the baggage,
Suddenly they will carry out such pillaging at Turin,
That in the fort they will ravish their hostage.
Cainct, [same in original] which EL, JH. Say is Old French for belt, or waist. I find no such word, neither quotes source? It is either a spelling mistake or Nostra is playing a game? Cain slaughtered Able after inviting him to the fields. Vast, is either, as the French vaste, huge, immense etc. or as the French, vastation,= devastation, destruction, wasting etc.? The correct word was 'ceinct' girt, beset about, environed, encompassed, enclosed, held, or hemmed in on all sides.
The king will find that which he so desired,
When the prelate will be blamed unjustly;
His reply to the Duke will leave him far from satisfied,
Who (then) in Milan will put several to death.
The ruination approaches, fire and great spilling of blood, of the Po, great floods, of the bouviers the enterprise:
Of Genoa, Nice, after long wait,
Fossano, Turin, at Savigliano the prize.
Both EL. JH. Great rivers? The first sense of Fleuve-s is flood-s. bouviers are keepers of cattle or oxen, this cannot be its intended sense, bull worshippers?
Two armies will be unable to join at walls (mountains),
Within that instant Milan and Pavia will tremble.
Famine, thirst, doubts, will come to vex them greatly,
No meat, bread, nor victuals, not having a single morsel to eat.
The speech given before the assault,
Milan captured by the Eagle through deception and ambushes;
Ancient walls flattened by cannons,
Through fire and blood, few will receive mercy.
Near Focia enclosed in some large barrels,
Chivasso will plot for the Eagle,
The elected one chased out and his people locked up,
Within Turin rape the wife led away
Chivez- Chivasso on the Po river, is a commune of the metropolitan city of Turin.
Through the favour that the city will show
To the great one who will soon lose on the field of battle,
Fleeing the course of the Po (Pau) the Ticino overflows
With blood, fires, deaths, at a stroke slashed and drowned.
The great nephew by force will be tried,
The treaty made by the one with the cowardly heart,
The Duke will sound out Ferrara and Asti,
Then, when the pantomime takes place a night.
The womb cut, born having 2 heads and 4 arms:
For some years, it will survive intact:
On the day that Aquileia will celebrate its festivities,
Fossano, Turin, the chief of Ferrara will follow.
While JH, has no idea, and paddles around in a pool of nonsense. MR. [p -69] sinks into an abyss no fool has ever tried to swim in.
While it is tempting for the ignorant to think a deformed child is born by a Caesarean, with 2 heads and four arms. That is ridiculous, as if the birth of a deformed child who lived for a few years has an impact on history is but insanity.
We are talking politics: a treaty- pact, that was sort by natural, means, is forced, born, prematurely. Instead of having one leader- chief, because there were to many points, separating the four components, 2 chiefs are elected. Thus, a weak compromise is made; a weak alliance holds for a while, then splits, one half first, then, the remaining half splits into 2. How bloody ignorant, those past Authors are.
The chief of Fossano will have his throat cut
By the leader of the hounds (blood hounds and greyhounds).
The deed by those of Tarpeian Rock (Capitoline hill),
Saturn in Leo 13th February.
That those remaining should not have the blood spilled,
Venice quiet, hopes for aid to be given;
After waiting a very long time,
The city handed over at the first sound of the trumpet.
In, vestments new, after the truce is made,
Falsehoods and conspiracy contrived;
He who will be first to find proof of it will be murdered,
Treachery under the colour Venise.
Here's a first. MR, actually got something right, one word at least; line 1 ends with 'treuve'.
EL & JH, pretend it is old French for discovery or find.
Yet there is no such word, it was meant to be Treves, but was bastardised to rhyme with prevue, last word line 3. Treves= a truce, or limited cessation of war. [not that MR, explains how he came to get it right? But don't break open the champagne yet Sir, for the rest of his translation is nonsense, and so is that of EL & JH.]
Take line 4 for instance, the original reads,
'couleur venise insidiation.'
EL, 'Color Ventian trap.'
JH. 'Trap of Venetian rusty-red color.'
MR. 'The Venetian colours are ambushed.'
If their translations weren't pathetic enough, what they think the verse is about staggers belief beyond stretching.
Mario Reading is not for once the worst, wrong yes. He links the verse to Napoleon?
JH, takes the prize, linking the verse to the assignation of J. F. Kennedy? And even goes on to suggest the Italian Mafia had a hand in it?
EL. At least says he's baffled by it, but states that 'colour venise' is a sort of rusty brown colour.
Let me correct them.
They were, or are not painters, and certainly not women: because if they were they might know that 'Venise', was white lead, so much used by women of rank or wealth to whiten their complexion. Whether the reports were True or false I have read of even Michael Jackson using it, certainly it was widely used by women over many centuries to whiten their skin, indeed it was more widely used by white women than black. Of course, they didn't realise they were poisoning themselves in the process: if my memory serves me well even Elizabeth the 1st used it.
All well and good but how does it affect the verse?
In reality the truce requires a commitment to change, not some much that they are required to dress in different clothes, but to accept a different view, on life and belief. To save their lives they agree and pretend to change; but they are inwardly the same, and begin to plot and conspire to restore things back to wat they were,
Thus, they cover, hide themselves, paint, pretend they are pure and white, when their minds are black with evil; and this has nothing at all to do with the colour of their skin, but their minds.
Unfortunately, the first one who exposes their plots will be assassinated, but once a can of worms is opened, all will see it, and the price they pay for the deception will be much higher than the opening offer.
Proposals made, nuptials recommenced,
The great, great female will leave France:
Voice in Rome will not weary of crying out,
Receiving the peace through too false assurances.
The word given in French which I have rendered Rome, is Romagna, it could be that the voice is heard in the region of Italy now known as Emilia-Romagna.
Far away, near the Urn the evil one turns back,
That to the great Mars fire will become a hindrance:
Towards the north and south the great female;
Florence will hold the port, in apprehension.
Amongst the people, brutal hatred,
War, death if great Princes, in several parts of Italy:
Worldwide plague, even stronger in the West,
Temporally (for a while) plenty of goods, but very dry and exhausting.
Until this month (October) a great drought will last,
For Italy (generally) and Provence (more so) all fruits halved:
The great one least of enemies held prisoner by their band,
Death of robbers, pirates and the enemy.
Nostradamus verses on iTaly is continued in Italy">volume 3.
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